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Post by ancc on Feb 5, 2010 17:22:07 GMT -5
Yes, 2 out of 10 people in your program getting jobs at top 20 places is VERY good, even in a bad market. Do the math: 20 top 20 places, only about 10 hiring, so .5 per top 20 program would be "expected".
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Post by anoni on Feb 5, 2010 23:24:05 GMT -5
Okay, first of all I can understand "top 5" and "top 10", but "top 3"? C'mon people!
Second, a bad market=no late market. Late markets are caused by people not getting their first choice, not liking other candidates, and looking for someone better. Since the market is bad, most places have gotten their first choice and/or have another person on the back-burner just in case.
So if only one or two people in your program have offers now, it is unlikely that anything close to half will eventually get them. This is probably about it for this year.
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Post by yuppy on Feb 5, 2010 23:26:46 GMT -5
Unfortunately ^ is right...there might be a few more offers, but the season has pretty much ended.
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Post by anoni on Feb 5, 2010 23:30:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the affirmation yuppy. You think that incisive commentary will get me a postdoc, or what?
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Post by NotTop on Feb 5, 2010 23:57:08 GMT -5
Mid-range department (top 50-ish), 4 of us on job market, 3 of us have gotten offers (but only 2 accepted those offers) and all of us have had at least one campus interview (two of us have had two campus interviews).
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Post by Go Colts on Feb 6, 2010 12:45:33 GMT -5
Posting again (from a top 10 department that looks to have less than a 50 percent placement rate). The people in my department who have done well this year seem to have pretty good research records, but more than that, they have a ton of experience and success teaching. I wonder if that generalizes to the market generally this year - the research superstars get jobs, but then those with solid but not mind-blowing research records often struggle unless they have outstanding teaching records too (and that isn't enough, but it helps). Perhaps this xplains the prior poster's mid-ranked departments' success--did those people have excellent teaching records? Seems like there are a ton of people with good research records left out in the cold.
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Post by teacher on Feb 6, 2010 13:47:42 GMT -5
Posting again (from a top 10 department that looks to have less than a 50 percent placement rate). The people in my department who have done well this year seem to have pretty good research records, but more than that, they have a ton of experience and success teaching. I wonder if that generalizes to the market generally this year - the research superstars get jobs, but then those with solid but not mind-blowing research records often struggle unless they have outstanding teaching records too (and that isn't enough, but it helps). Perhaps this xplains the prior poster's mid-ranked departments' success--did those people have excellent teaching records? Seems like there are a ton of people with good research records left out in the cold. I think you're on to something there. Unless you're a star researcher, teaching matters a lot. Schools seem to want not just a few semesters of TA experience and the odd lecturer position. They want someone who has taught their own multiple classes, and can come with syllabus in hand ready to teach them. This seems different than previous years, am I right?
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Post by guess on Feb 6, 2010 16:21:22 GMT -5
I posted earlier about being from a relatively highly ranked department and I think a significant reason I've gotten any attention is because I've taught over 20 of my own courses and have taught a range of topics. I do also have some publications but no first authored ones yet.
Certainly with any 4/4 position they're primarily interested in whether you can teach, what you can teach, and whether you're going to be able to handle a high teaching load.
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Post by teaching111 on Feb 6, 2010 19:00:58 GMT -5
I agree with the above statements about teaching for many of the schools hiring this year. I say this having had a couple of interviews at schools with 3-2 and 3-3 teaching loads and being told during campus visits that they were looking for someone who can "hit the ground running." At those places a strong teaching background is very important, especially if you already have a few publications under your belt. At top 10 R1 schools this is irrelevant. They are looking for people with 1) great research projects; 2) a good c.v. or potential to publish; and 3) a proven ability to get grants.
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Post by yuppy on Feb 6, 2010 19:48:57 GMT -5
The above poster is correct, but I don't think it's top 10 places that expect a research-padded CV; more like the top 50. And, I don't think it's anything new that teaching places are seeking out people with teaching experience...what's new is that they also expect you to have several publications and an active research agenda.
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Post by perrault on Feb 6, 2010 20:23:07 GMT -5
The above poster is correct, but I don't think it's top 10 places that expect a research-padded CV; more like the top 50. And, I don't think it's anything new that teaching places are seeking out people with teaching experience...what's new is that they also expect you to have several publications and an active research agenda. Yeah. I was surprised at the number of 4-4, open enrollment undergraduate institutions that wanted a research statement and evidence of ability to get external funding in the application materials.
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Post by surprised on Feb 7, 2010 0:08:19 GMT -5
Do people really know exactly how many phone interviews and campus interviews candidates in their departments have had? I am on the market and have a job. I don't know much about what others have going on. I would imagine that in large departments, there is not so much keeping track?
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Post by perrault on Feb 7, 2010 0:46:11 GMT -5
Do people really know exactly how many phone interviews and campus interviews candidates in their departments have had? I am on the market and have a job. I don't know much about what others have going on. I would imagine that in large departments, there is not so much keeping track? this probably applies more to folks who are abd. At least in my department it's pretty easy to keep track as people will have mock job talks and so on to prepare for interviews.
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