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Venting
Sept 11, 2009 15:31:40 GMT -5
Post by damastes on Sept 11, 2009 15:31:40 GMT -5
I think the venting thread here was originally about the job outlook this fall. I would certainly be interested in hearing what individuals might think about how things are turning out. Let me start a thread on that [& please feel free to start other venting threads!]
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Venting
Nov 19, 2009 10:32:48 GMT -5
Post by ggggggggggggg on Nov 19, 2009 10:32:48 GMT -5
I just wanted to to send a big "f**k you" to all telemarketers, salespersons and so on who call from an identifiable, out of town area code.
Few things suck as much as returning a call from an area code where you are applying for a job thinking an interview is coming of it, only to hear about how I should buy additional extended warranty for my car (which, at this point, is an 11 year old POS).
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Rejected and Dejected
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Nov 19, 2009 15:47:45 GMT -5
Post by Rejected and Dejected on Nov 19, 2009 15:47:45 GMT -5
Just got a rejection from a non-academic job I really wanted--had a long-list interview. They said they'd be making decisions for the short list in January. I'm being prematurely rejected. I am feeling so down right now. I wish I knew what I had done wrong or where I was weak--I thought I was a good candidate.
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Nov 19, 2009 17:47:52 GMT -5
Post by Lifelock on Nov 19, 2009 17:47:52 GMT -5
I just heard about someone with *one* (mid-range) publication getting an interview at a school where I applied, because a Big Name pulled some strings for her. I know we study this kind of stuff (social capital!), but that doesn't make it any less frustrating.
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Nov 19, 2009 18:36:23 GMT -5
Post by damastes on Nov 19, 2009 18:36:23 GMT -5
I just heard about someone with *one* (mid-range) publication getting an interview at a school where I applied, because a Big Name pulled some strings for her. I know we study this kind of stuff (social capital!), but that doesn't make it any less frustrating. I believe the current market exacerbates such things. When you have hundreds of applicants, a famous sociologist calling to say "hire this person because..." can make someone stand out. A candidate may get hired for known future publications vs. someone whose work has much better longterm prospects. It may lead to a large number of us 'in exile' before we are hired in a position commensurate with our qualifications.
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Venting
Nov 19, 2009 18:45:40 GMT -5
Post by anonymous donkey on Nov 19, 2009 18:45:40 GMT -5
I just heard about someone with *one* (mid-range) publication getting an interview at a school where I applied, because a Big Name pulled some strings for her. I know we study this kind of stuff (social capital!), but that doesn't make it any less frustrating. Yeah I think this is the single most common, and easily the most frustrating aspect of the job market. The truth is there are hundreds of applicants for every job and quite a lot of them could do the job well. There just isn't that big a distinction between the qualified candidates. I went to a big R1 well known in the field and this sort of thing was SUPER common. In fact probably 50% of the people we interviewed were not outstanding in publications but received the thumbs-up from some Very Famous Sociologist at a Well-Known Institution, and those people were offered the job almost every single time. There were even some cases where the person completely bombed/blew off the interview and they always got the offer anyway. LOL it showed they had potential if they were that confident right?
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Nov 19, 2009 18:55:50 GMT -5
Post by RealEconomist on Nov 19, 2009 18:55:50 GMT -5
I went to a big R1 well known in the field and this sort of thing was SUPER common. In fact probably 50% of the people we interviewed were not outstanding in publications but received the thumbs-up from some Very Famous Sociologist at a Well-Known Institution, and those people were offered the job almost every single time. There were even some cases where the person completely bombed/blew off the interview and they always got the offer anyway. LOL it showed they had potential if they were that confident right? In this market, women and minorities will only be hired. Democrats are filling the civil service with their supporters. They are doing this as part of the agenda to support infanticide, destroy the family, give guns to gangsters, and destroy the Constitution.
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Venting
Nov 19, 2009 18:58:26 GMT -5
Post by John Stewart Mill on Nov 19, 2009 18:58:26 GMT -5
In this market, women and minorities will only be hired. Democrats are filling the civil service with their supporters. They are doing this as part of the agenda to support infanticide, destroy the family, give guns to gangsters, and destroy the Constitution. Don't forget the jihadists. Barry wants to convert everyone to Islam.
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Venting
Dec 2, 2009 12:02:59 GMT -5
Post by lesigh on Dec 2, 2009 12:02:59 GMT -5
Am I the only one who has done NOTHING else but apply for jobs in the past 3 months? Um, my diss is still only halfway done. Any tips on how to be productive while waiting for rejection?
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Dec 2, 2009 13:12:44 GMT -5
Post by annoner on Dec 2, 2009 13:12:44 GMT -5
My advice: just send off ALL of the applications now rather then doing them sequentially. This makes it much easier to forget about them.
Believe it or not, I have found it easier to remain productive after encountering bad news than after encountering good news. The "second round" of the market is going to start after the holidays so I'd work on the dissertation now. Get as much done as possible while you are still in the mood of "showing them all just how wrong they were about you".
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Dec 2, 2009 13:56:22 GMT -5
Post by damastes on Dec 2, 2009 13:56:22 GMT -5
I found the dissertation to be an escape from the job market. I did so by focusing on the fact that the analysis and writing were completely under my control. It was also a very nice gift to myself--there's something really cool about doing something no one has done before.
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Dec 2, 2009 14:30:47 GMT -5
Post by anonyms on Dec 2, 2009 14:30:47 GMT -5
yeah I've also done nothing except apply for jobs and work on my TAship for the past 3 months. Starting this week I've made a promise to myself to work on my dissertation for at least 1 hour a day (not including weekends), and I've gotten a lot accomplished just since the beginning of the week. It's hard to get back into the swing of things, but if you force yourself to work for some amount per day I've found it eventually gets easier. It also helps that I'm now done applying to everything on my list except a few postdocs due in January.
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Dec 2, 2009 14:42:32 GMT -5
Post by Bigelow on Dec 2, 2009 14:42:32 GMT -5
You know, if you have a hard time balancing applying for jobs and doing your own research you are in for a shock when you become an assistant professor.
I really don't say that to be mean, but it's true.
I've been where you are - when I was on the market the first time I applied to 60 schools and went on 8 on campus interviews. And it was definitely hard for me to also work on my dissertation during that time.
I am now an assistant professor back on the market, and honestly, I look back on those days fondly. Now I'm juggling the market, about 8 papers currently in progress, 2 classes, tons of committees, plus my own family life.
So you've just got to do it. Better to learn now how to balance these things than go into shock during the first year in your new job.
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Venting
Dec 2, 2009 16:06:22 GMT -5
Post by r2d2 on Dec 2, 2009 16:06:22 GMT -5
I just heard about someone with *one* (mid-range) publication getting an interview at a school where I applied, because a Big Name pulled some strings for her. I know we study this kind of stuff (social capital!), but that doesn't make it any less frustrating. This is how the work world works. Not just in academia- everywhere. That's why networking, and publishing, and meeting influential scholars at meetings and presenting at conferences is a good thing to do in graduate school! And juggling job apps and dissertation seem like nothing compared to teaching, committee work, and publishing for tenure. Get a system down now where you can work on multiple things at once or you'll be miserable once you do get a job!
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Dec 2, 2009 16:18:02 GMT -5
Post by anonyms on Dec 2, 2009 16:18:02 GMT -5
I don't believe all your naysaying, one of my friends who is an assistant professor says it's just like in middle school where all the teachers tell you "In high school, you won't be able to do x." and then you get all intimidated by the thought of how much harder it will be.
But he says that it's just more of the same.
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