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Post by anonomouse on Dec 22, 2009 20:16:51 GMT -5
I just heard I got an R & R on a paper I second authored. The R & R is at a very very prestigious journal (one of the top 5 journals in soc). I have a few other pubs, but nowhere near as prestigious as this journal.
Do I update schools about this R & R? On the one hand, it isn't a conditional accept, just an R & R, I'm second author, and I've applied to a LOT of schools, so this would mean a lot of emails (Maybe? I'm not sure how one would even update a school about this).
On the other hand, as I said, very prestigious journal, and I haven't been getting a lot of bites on the market so far (few shortlists, no interviews), so it can't hurt can it?
How would I go about updating people about this if I wanted to? Email to someone?
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Post by helpful on Dec 22, 2009 20:42:22 GMT -5
I've seen this same question before on the chronicle forum and it seems like the general consensus is to not bother search committees unless there is a big change...publications accepted, book contracts, large grant, etc. R and R's do not mean that it will be published. Although some on the forum seem to think that sending an updated CV to the office assistant (if it's the office assistant who is handling it) seems to be ok. Your call...it may help, or it may just annoy.
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Post by annonyie on Dec 22, 2009 21:11:53 GMT -5
I'd say send the update to any place where you are on the short list or long list. If you have an advocate in the department, an R&R could help them to make the case for inviting you out for an interview...
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Post by Jeez on Dec 22, 2009 22:09:36 GMT -5
Good grief. Do not update the depts about an R&R. Anyone can get an R&R. It is not a publication, a guarantee of publication, or anywhere near a publication.
It's almost akin to contacting all the schools you applied to after a school sends you an EEOC card or a letter or email confirming receipt of your application. In this case, neither the confirmation letter/email nor the EEOC card represents a job offer, so you cannot really use it as a negotiating tool.
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Post by snoopy on Dec 22, 2009 22:50:59 GMT -5
I had this happen to me twice earlier this year and talked to several people about it. There certainly are some people like "Jeez" and "helpful" who say to never contact schools unless you have some major news. But for the most part, the consensus among younger faculty (including those of my dept's search committee) was that, while an R&R doesn't guarantee publication, it signals that your work is making good initial impressions and especially for ABDs with often sparse publication records, this can be valuable information. This is particularly true if it is a top journal. It also serves the function of reminding the search committee about your candidacy...and that can't be bad.
Anyone is this situation has evaluate the decision based on how your CV already looks, what the schools your are applying to are looking for, and also perhaps the reviews. (You wouldn't want to shout "I got an R&R", get the job, and then flop on the revisions.)
The trickier question for you, IMHO, is whether to contact schools about an R&R when you are 2nd author. Are you 2nd of only two authors? If so, did you do 50% of the work? Also, when you say a "very prestigious journal" I assume you mean ASR or AJS (there aren't five prestigious journals in sociology - and there aren't any "very" prestigious ones). If it's one of those two, and you're 2nd of 2, then I'd probably say to send a nice email, but do as annonyie says and only go to places you're on some list.
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Post by Dante on Dec 24, 2009 1:12:27 GMT -5
Also, when you say a "very prestigious journal" I assume you mean ASR or AJS (there aren't five prestigious journals in sociology - What about ARS and Social Forces? I'd say there are four biggies. |
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Post by sk on Dec 24, 2009 1:36:57 GMT -5
Don't forget Demography. That would make 5.
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Post by hmmm on Dec 24, 2009 8:28:35 GMT -5
But demography isn't sociology (economists and formal demographers publish there nearly as often as social demographers).
Seems to me like ASR and AJS are in a league of their own...Social Forces and possibly Social Problems next...what's ARS? Annual Review?
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Post by Meh on Dec 24, 2009 12:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by anonomouse on Dec 24, 2009 17:07:40 GMT -5
I'm the second author of 2 authors...I did probably over 50% of the work, did maybe 80% of the data transformation and analysis, although my coauthor did much more of the writing (which is why ze is first author, apart from ze being a prof and I'm not).
It is squarely in one of the two subfields I specialize in, has some really awesome findings that I'm very happy about, and all of my publications thus far have been in my other subfield (although one kinda straddled both, but more in the other one).
As I said it is in one of the top 5 journals- one of the ones in the comments here, but not AJS/ASR
I think what I'm going to do is update select schools- the schools in that subfield that have not gotten back to people (according to my info via the rumor mill) and other jobs I am especially interested in.
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Post by new prof on Dec 28, 2009 15:24:37 GMT -5
As a recently hired prof now sitting on a search committee, I would recommend NOT updating. An R and R is nice but not a game changer that warrants an update, particularly as second author. I just recently had an R and R at a "very prestigious journal" get rejected the next time around, as did my colleague. It may also drag out for several rounds before a decision is made. I think it is not worth it, and I doubt your file would even be updated to reflect this.
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Post by annonyie on Dec 28, 2009 17:59:08 GMT -5
The key point seems to be this: at worst, the update is ignored. At best, it helps a little bit. The fact that there is disagreement on this issue suggests that the impact can lie somewhere in between those two poles, depending on authorship, journal, and department reviewing the file. So what's the problem with sending a brief update?
Seems like a no-brainer to me...
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