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Post by Bill Cosby on Sept 29, 2009 11:40:34 GMT -5
Someone wrote: "The question I have is whether or not those of us on the long list are getting dragged along for the hiring of Goffman or another superstar. Word from someone in the department is that she was offered $75k starting, plus a nice benefits package. Its bullnuts to go through all this work & it turn out to be cover hiring from their super-selective A-list. "
Are you seriously complaining because you think you're not their number one pick, but that they might take you if their top pick goes elsewhere or doesn't pan out? I don't get it. Also, why does the fact that they pay well bother you?? Grow up! - if anything, their good salary will help pull up salaries elsewhere in the future (and no, I'm not even a neoclassical economist - far from it). Would it really make you happier if they paid $50k or $40k or $30k instead?
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Post by Wanting Opportunity on Sept 29, 2009 18:29:14 GMT -5
Are you seriously complaining because you think you're not their number one pick, but that they might take you if their top pick goes elsewhere or doesn't pan out? I don't get it. Also, why does the fact that they pay well bother you?? Grow up! - if anything, their good salary will help pull up salaries elsewhere in the future (and no, I'm not even a neoclassical economist - far from it). Would it really make you happier if they paid $50k or $40k or $30k instead? The issue is one of fairness. Yes, life is not fair. But, it comes across as pretty disingenuous to have an 'open search' & be making offers at the same time. Would you pay twenty bucks to apply to a job when there's an open offer to hire someone else for the said position?
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Post by RealEconomist on Sept 29, 2009 19:04:47 GMT -5
Top universities are after ONE candidate precisely because there are no other candidates who can add value to their university. Duke and Harvard are successful universities, with billions in endowments that support real research in the natural sciences [like physics, medicine & economics]. This is a clear case of sociologists not knowing what to do when a place hires based on ability, not quotas or people trying to subvert the state. Hopefully, the government will use the Patriot Act to learn about the actions of you jobless bigots whose 'research' are virtual confessions of hundreds of sociologists that go paling around with terrorists.
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Post by taking the bait on Sept 29, 2009 19:39:35 GMT -5
real econo mits...get back to work on those unemployment figures you seem to know so well. you are making it hard for us to be paling around with sandy terrorists at the beach.
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Post by question on Sept 29, 2009 19:52:58 GMT -5
Since when is economics a "natural science"? In case you weren't aware, so-called "hard" scientists think about as lowly of economics as they do sociology. BTW, your comment really shows how narrow your intellectual capacity really is (that or, your commitment to an antiquated neoclassical framework that most serious economists don't subscribe to). The point of criticism here has been the suggestion that Duke is not hiring strictly based on ability, but on a combination of ability and nepotism. (Not to diminish the candidate's work; I thoroughly enjoyed reading that ASR article.)
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Post by orc on Sept 29, 2009 20:10:34 GMT -5
we were doing so well not feeding the troll... why start now?
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Post by Real Economist on Sept 29, 2009 20:50:21 GMT -5
we were doing so well not feeding the troll... why start now? The need for TRUTH. Its quite sad really. You sociologists throw around the seeds of hate, discord, and destruction, but you are human. There's not much, but some decency resides in this discipline. Study the works of great social thinkers, like Hobbes, Malthus, and Charles Murray, and there is hope. Follow the tenets of capitalism, not Al Queda!
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Post by bad prom date on Sept 30, 2009 11:28:55 GMT -5
Has anyone applied to Duke in the past week/few days and heard anything? Just curious as this appears to be the first type of instant notification of how well you're doing...
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Post by silly on Sept 30, 2009 11:36:06 GMT -5
Yes, I'm wondering the same thing about notification. I sent in my application over the weekend and would have appreciated at least some acknowledgment that it didn't go into the junk mail. How long was the turnaround for those asked for additional materials?
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Post by anony on Sept 30, 2009 11:59:32 GMT -5
I would not read too much into the Duke long-list. After all, Duke is going by CV alone and they do have particular things within their department that they are looking for. So this just tells you how good your CV looks relative to Duke's department, not your overall standing vis-a-vis "the market".
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Post by socgirl6 on Sept 30, 2009 12:28:28 GMT -5
I submitted my application on 9/24/2009 and received an e-mail today (9/30/2009) asking me to fill out the EEO survey online.
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Post by anony on Sept 30, 2009 12:37:37 GMT -5
Everyone is asked to do the EEO survey, whether you get long-listed or not.
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Post by anon2 on Sept 30, 2009 12:37:52 GMT -5
i too applied on the 24th and did not hear anything until the EEO email that was just sent out en mass.
someone earlier said they submitted on the 24th and were already asked to send additional materials, so i took that to mean that they did not move my app on for further consideration (no surprise!)
perhaps they are doing the paperwork now for eeo since the opening closes tomorrow? maybe their offer to superstar was accepted?
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Post by another applicant on Sept 30, 2009 13:03:03 GMT -5
I applied the 16th, got the EEOC about a week later and nothing else. I'm not crushed because that area is not really where I want to live, plus the tenure chances suck, but it's still hard not to see it as a harbinger of doom.
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Post by anony on Sept 30, 2009 13:10:16 GMT -5
Chill out "another applicant". I'm in a top 20 program and I'm pretty sure the faculty we have hired over the last couple years would not have made the long list at Duke. Every department is different. Just work on the job talk. If that is done, work on the dissertation.
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