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Post by Frustrated on Dec 5, 2009 12:24:59 GMT -5
I'm disappointed and am going to withdraw my application. I feel like I should have had a shot, but did not get a call. Why hold out, if they've already made up their mind
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Post by Moki and Boober on Dec 5, 2009 13:05:02 GMT -5
I have it on authority that there are currently two lists.
One is the short/long list, or whatever you want to call it, that have received calls.
The other is a (long) list of candidates the department is interested in but who have incomplete applications. That is the reason for the emails....so for those who have been ranting, it wasn't just to yank your chain.
Being on the second list does not guarantee that you will eventually be called, but the committee wants to weigh all information before making a decision.
I also have it on authority that they are looking for someone who specializes in sociology of the family or at least does family research... $$ for the hire came from the Kunz Center.
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Post by anonyms on Dec 7, 2009 16:33:28 GMT -5
so if we received that email about getting our letters in, does that mean we are that second long list? Or did they just send that to everyone?
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Post by Moki and Boober on Dec 7, 2009 20:48:13 GMT -5
From what I gather, the emails were only extended to applicants that the department had some interest in. I also know that they want to complete phone interviews by the end of the quarter (they are on a quarter system)...hence the date of dec. 6th in the emails
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Post by ditto on Dec 7, 2009 21:26:58 GMT -5
From what I gather, the emails were only extended to applicants that the department had some interest in. I also know that they want to complete phone interviews by the end of the quarter (they are on a quarter system)...hence the date of dec. 6th in the emails No one mentioned phone interviews to me. And my phone call certainly wasn't an interview. I was told they're reviewing the additional materials and will decide who to bring in (to Cincinnati for interviews in January) by 12/16.
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Post by CinnGrad on Dec 7, 2009 22:07:31 GMT -5
A list was circulated to the department of four candidates. Two interviews are scheduled before the holiday break, & two after. This is a Kunz Center hire, so there were actually very few candidates that met the search description.
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Post by ditto on Dec 7, 2009 23:00:28 GMT -5
When was this, CinnGrad? Given that quite a few people on here (myself included) confirmed that they're on a "long short list" and were told that they're making a decision in 2 weeks, letting everyone know "one way or another," and bringing people in for interviews January, that seems pretty suspect to me.
The job we're all talking about (I think) is not specifically "a Kunz Center hire." Kunz is mentioned in the ad along with other affiliations the department has. And the sociology job was advertised in pretty general terms: "Preference will be given to scholars with interests that complement those of the department, including race/ethnicity, immigration, gender, work, family, health, and urban."
So, I wonder if your Kunz hire is an entirely different position.
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Post by CinnGrad on Dec 8, 2009 11:02:12 GMT -5
The email was sent by the search chair who sent out the emails quoted above. They are looking for assistant professor candidates who will be able to work closely on projects underway at the Kunz Center on work and family issues. As its between quarters, the search committee has moved very quickly. Sorry if you were not selected.
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Post by thatsbull on Dec 8, 2009 11:28:00 GMT -5
I call bullsh*t, "CinnGrad" since I was told exactly word-for-word what they told "ditto" above.
I guess that's why the call this the "rumor mill."
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Post by pee wee on Dec 8, 2009 11:31:09 GMT -5
The issue, for me at least, is not whether or not I "got picked," but the seemingly deceptive manner in which this search has been conducted. I can live with not getting the job. I can also live with the fact that they conducted a relatively open search when they seem to have had very specific needs; however, please don't make me jump to get letters in when you already have a short list. Moreover, this did not happen to me with this job, but it has happened in the past, don't tell me that I'm still being considered and on a long list when you already have a short list. There's enough bullnuts that we have to put up with that I get, even if I hate it (i.e. not being notified about not getting the job until the process is completely over), but please don't create extra levels of bullnuts. I know this was perhaps better suited for the venting thread, but perhaps some of the a**holes at U Cincinnati will read this and think about how they conduct searches in the future.
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Post by take it easy on Dec 8, 2009 11:36:55 GMT -5
Everyone should remember that these boards are replete with misinformation and outright lies. I'm not saying CinnGrad or anyone else on here is wrong, but it's not fair to flame UC for info being posted by who knows who on this (pretty worthless) thread.
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Post by friar on Dec 8, 2009 12:16:42 GMT -5
A few lessons from last year:
- I was interviewed at one place that I thought I would not get because I had read at the wiki that they were doing phone interviews. As it turned out, there were no phone interviews at any point during the process. I was called and invited for the actual interview without ever doing a phone interview.
- Even when the information is truthful, you just never know. This particular place did not like any of the interviewees, and ended up dipping back into the pool after the 3 interviews. So someone who had long given up on the position was contacted, interviewed and hired.
So don't take anything here as truthful or final, and never, ever make any decisions about sending more materials or publicly dissing a place based on what you read here.
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Post by cup on Dec 8, 2009 15:33:05 GMT -5
it seems to me that we all need to use this wiki with caution, to figure out when it is useful and when it isn't.
think of it in terms of the trustworthiness of testimony. like ditto and thatsbull, i was contacted last tues (or wed) by a member of the search committee asking for additional materials. she informed me that i was one of 19 on the long-short list, and that they would contact me sometime the week of the 14th with a final short list.
the important point is that this is information directly from the department.
now like many others i'm anxious about this year's market and so far have found the whole process somewhat soul crushing. so i come onto the rumor mill to get any snippet of possible information on any of the jobs I applied to. when cinngrad originally posted that they had scheduled interviews i got disappointed.
but ive come to realize the absurdity of this. on one hand i have information straight from the horses' mouth so to speak. on the other hand an anonymous post. now i'm not questioning the motives of cinngrad. maybe s/he is a troll, maybe s/he has received bad information, maybe there is another mysterious Kunz center position that we're getting confused about. who knows? the point is that in all objective assessment the testimony from the phone call is more trustworthy.
so alas i'll just have to wait for next week. oh the wonders the job market does for patience.
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Post by piling on on Dec 8, 2009 23:21:52 GMT -5
you know, the accuracy (or not) of Cinngrad's info is really not relevant to the excellent point that pee wee makes. It is absolute bull-ship for them to request additional letters from people they knew were NOT on their long short list. I don't know if they were just trying to fulfill some bureaucratic req's or what, but that's really no excuse. I can't think of any good excuse for unfairly leading on the applicants and unnecessarily burdening on the letter writers.
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Post by REALLY on Dec 9, 2009 7:25:20 GMT -5
Whether or not any of us believe it to be fair...GET OVER IT! It's part of the process and all this pregnant doging and moaning over it is not going to change a thing.
Unless the complainers are going to remove themselves from this and every application process (or the job market in general) because of a few "insensitive" processes by prospective employers...SHUT UP ABOUT IT or take it to the venting thread!
IT IS WHAT IT IS...SO DEAL WITH IT!
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