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Post by socbaker on Aug 9, 2009 11:03:47 GMT -5
For those of us who couldn't go, could those of you who did post updates? How were the interviews? What's the word on the street about this year's market? Hope it's not making you want to jump out the hotel window.
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Post by ON DLedge on Aug 9, 2009 11:56:53 GMT -5
it doesn't look so good, 8 requests, no interviews.
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Post by damastes on Aug 9, 2009 13:24:24 GMT -5
How many employers are conducting interviews?
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Post by anon on Aug 9, 2009 13:44:29 GMT -5
I think there are around 35 jobs maybe? but a few are non academic
I requested 11 interviews and got 4.
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Post by anonymous on Aug 9, 2009 14:09:23 GMT -5
I requested 4 interviews and got none. Last year with fewer publications I had 5 interviews. The two comments I've been getting when people hear I'm going on the job market are "looks like rough year" and "I think it's going to be a late cycle this year".
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Post by thedodo on Aug 9, 2009 14:23:32 GMT -5
Got 3 interviews this year. Most people are pessimistic about this year, but Ive seen quite a few professors optimistic about next year and telling people to hang around and wait another year if necessary.
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Post by soctastic on Aug 9, 2009 18:48:37 GMT -5
It sucks - very few interviews and many requests. I think people who requested interviews right when the jobs were posted did significantly better than those who waited until a couple days before ASA. I would guess that the 30 or so employers who are here are averaging 100 requests for interviews for each job. That seems reasonable to me if there are 40 jobs, 400 candidates, and each candidate makes 10 requests. Maybe it's not quite that high, I don't know, but bottom line is it's a buyer's market.
On the bright side for those who didn't get interviews, if every school is doing dozens of interviews, it's possible they won't remember any of them!
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Post by anon on Aug 9, 2009 21:48:14 GMT -5
this morning i heard someone from suffolk say they had over 100 requests for interviews and hadn't had time to go through them all yet.
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Post by rocktheasa on Aug 10, 2009 0:01:22 GMT -5
I think they basically picked first come first serve.
In any case, why are people freaking over the ASA employment service?
Even in its best years its completely, 100% useless. I did 7 interviews last year. 3 hadnt even seen my CV, and 4 didnt even take any notes. Most spent more time talking about themselves and why I should apply there.
The ASA ES serves two purposes: - Practice for the candidate - Small departments getting the word about their positions out and increasing their profile and number of applications.
That is it. If anyone ever calculated the correlation between getting an interview at the asa and getting a campus interview, it would be very low. The correlation between getting an interview at the asa and getting the job would in all likelihood be 0.
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Post by anon on Aug 10, 2009 10:49:18 GMT -5
I disagree that it is "100% useless." Maybe for you it was, but last year I did 13 interviews at ASA and 2 of them turned into on-campus interviews. A third turned into a phone-interview, but not an on-campus interview. In a competitive market like last year's, getting 2 fly-out interviews from places I met with at ASA is incredible. (I ended up getting a job, but not from one of those places).
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Post by rocktheasa on Aug 10, 2009 11:30:30 GMT -5
As I said, 2 out of 13 interviews, and 0 out of 13 jobs, is a small and a non existent correlation, respectively (which was precisely my point!). And this is, of course, assuming the only reason you got those 2 interviews was because of the ASA.
Given how you could quite likely get those interviews without the ASA, I don't see how the ASA matters that much.
If the best case you can make for why it matters is that 2 out of 13 interviewed you with 0 job offers, and a job and an interview from a place you never talked to at the ASA's, then yeah, the ASA ES is useless. Myself, I got an interview at a place that would not meet with me at last year's ASA...
By the way, in how many of those 13 interviews did they have your CV? In how many of those they spent more than half the time talking about themselves? In how many of those did they take organized, consistent notes?
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Post by rocktheasa on Aug 10, 2009 11:53:21 GMT -5
Of course, my intent here is not to diss the ASA mercilessly. As I said before, it is good practice.
People just shouldn't freak out over the ASA, since as far as job placement it really doesnt matter much.
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Post by tnrd on Aug 12, 2009 17:15:35 GMT -5
rocktheasa - It may be that anon ended up doing well where s/he got the job partly in thanks to the experiences s/he accumulated at the interviews.
That said, I completely agree that not getting interviews at ASA ES doesn't mean anything and people shouldn't stress over it. Like you, I got a fly-out at a place that wouldn't see me during ASA so go figure.
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Post by Disgruntled on Aug 13, 2009 9:44:09 GMT -5
PhD Candidates Unite.
I propose we boycott the ASA job service!
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Post by anon on Aug 13, 2009 10:02:55 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate ...
I thought the ES was interesting and a little useful. I requested six interviews, had three, and learned something from the practice. One out of the three I am actually interested in.
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