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Post by anon on Jul 22, 2009 20:43:30 GMT -5
i know it's july and all...
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Post by thedodo on Jul 23, 2009 3:17:54 GMT -5
consider this:
the number of employers advertising in the 2007 ES: ~150
last year: 71
This year: 14
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Post by noname on Jul 23, 2009 9:37:04 GMT -5
I'm trying to recall when the number of employers on the ESS job site started to really ramp up last year. Was it in July or in August? I remember only a few scattered jobs at first, then it seemed like most came up in a really short period of time. Problem is I can't remember when that was, and knowing that will help answer your question.
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Post by anon on Jul 23, 2009 10:32:16 GMT -5
consider this: the number of employers advertising in the 2007 ES: ~150 last year: 71 This year: 14 14 so far, but the website has been up less than a week! |
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Post by anonymous on Jul 23, 2009 10:54:59 GMT -5
I seem to remember a lot of employers posting quite late (some even during the conference). So probably best to wait a week or two before freaking out...
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Post by anon on Jul 23, 2009 12:00:26 GMT -5
I would go ahead and freak the eff out and get it over with--this will be the worst academic job market in 20 years; at least since the last Bush recession 90-91. My strategy is to just stay as positive as I can, apply to jobs, and see what happens--you never know when your job will come up; someone will get it-hopefully you...
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Post by anon on Jul 24, 2009 11:42:46 GMT -5
several jobs posted on the ASA employment service in the past 2 days...they are up to 20 listings now  |
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Post by anon on Jul 24, 2009 14:06:58 GMT -5
Half-full peeps unite!
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Post by anon on Jul 26, 2009 12:44:38 GMT -5
People were alarmed that the number of employers at ES last year was way below normal. I do remember that. But, this year is way way way below. But, I don't think it's at all indicative of the job market to come. Here's why:
1) ASA was late in getting the site up and running. Employers haven't had a chance. Some may have decided to skip it altogether because of ASA's delay. Which leads me to my next point....
2) The talk among faculty I know is that the Employment Service is slowly dying off and has been doing so for a long time. Many years ago, your high-stakes interviews were done at ASA (similar to other fields, like English, today). But they've been usurped almost entirely by campus interviews, phone interviews, etc. When I did the Employment Service last year, many of the employers (I did 13 interviews) gave the impression that their department/institution wanted them to go, but they themselves weren't all that interested in the ES interviews. I wouldn't be surprised if it died soon.
3) I'm hearing that state budgets are coming back a bit (exceptions: California, Michigan, Oregon, South Carolina), and many of the searches that were cancelled (i.e., any and all in Washington) will be reopened. This suggests it will be a better job market year than last year was. Good news, because last year was rough (although I got a job). Plus, now that investment accounts are making a comeback, people will start retiring like gangbusters before the market tanks again.
If you're going to be at ASA, it doesn't hurt to do it (I got on-campus interviews from 3 departments who I met at ASA), but don't sweat the numbers. The opportunities will be there. The fact that last years was so abysmal should mean more opportunities for folks on the market this year. Just don't panic.
-- A New Assistant Prof Who Likes the Rumor Mill
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Post by anonymouse on Jul 27, 2009 21:30:54 GMT -5
I would also suggest that you should never freak out during this process. It wastes a lot of valuable time. (Note: I freaked out last year and blew a good 3-4 months doing practically nothing). Don't freak out, keep working, and you'll feel better and be better off in the long run.
Also, people do seem more optimistic. If people are interested in top 20 places, I hear 2 more that have not listed yet are hiring.
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Post by socio sam on Jul 27, 2009 23:23:00 GMT -5
Spill the beans!
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Post by anon on Aug 2, 2009 19:45:27 GMT -5
Yup...too early to freak out yet IMO. I'm a new PhD on the market from an R1 and have *heard* from my advisers that our program is planning to react to the budget crunch by doing fewer senior hires so that we can scoop up some of the up-and-comers who can't get jobs elsewhere. It may be that other departments are thinking similarly, so the market may be better than expected for new PhDs.
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Post by anon on Aug 2, 2009 23:37:52 GMT -5
I heard the same thing from our faculty earlier this year (the university's plan was to scoop up some hot hires during the downturn) but apparently we are now too broke. Yay.
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Post by anonprof on Aug 3, 2009 9:41:30 GMT -5
Yep -- at our R1 we scrapped plans for a senior hire and converted the line into two junior hires (still pending approval, but looks good). We have more students, more classes to be taught...that calls for expanding the faculty -- and we get more bang for our buck at the jr level, esp. as many senior hires don't teach much.
This may mean that the process is slightly later this year (see job bank discussion) -- so don't lose hope!
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Post by anon on Aug 3, 2009 18:13:59 GMT -5
Yeah Senior hires...how about showing a little solidarity with the rest of us this year. By definition, you already HAVE jobs. Don't you care about the future of the discipline? Open up some places for new people by not trying to move someplace more sunny this year. Ah, if only I ran the world  |
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