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Post by Anon on Aug 9, 2009 3:09:36 GMT -5
It's way too early to freak out. I spent from Dec to April last year absolutely certain that I wasn't getting a job at all, and then a few late ads popped up, I applied, and got a TT 2/2 offer at a great school in late April. When the economy is bad, the job market moves sloooowly, so don't give up hope.
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Post by anon on Aug 14, 2009 10:23:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I heard from people at 3 different R1s that they will be hiring this year, but are still finalizing things. None of these R1s have announced anything publicly yet. Everyone is getting into the game late this year.
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Post by anon on Aug 14, 2009 13:40:01 GMT -5
all this late market stuff would be nice if I hadn't overheard a faculty member at asa joking about how they tell the students it's a late market but the advisers know there's no market.
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Post by anon on Aug 15, 2009 10:54:35 GMT -5
i am just thankful that our advisors are brutally honest... we were at first shocked at their bluntness last year but now relatively grateful when they repeat, "this is the worst academic job market we've ever seen and probably ever will"
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Post by anonymouse on Aug 15, 2009 11:13:41 GMT -5
Wisconsin, Nebraska, Washington, Duke... all will be posting jobs still. (2 of those 4 are approved hires, 2 are still pending). Probably more I don't know about. It's a bad market, but we will see more jobs.
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Post by Anon on Aug 15, 2009 16:14:32 GMT -5
I heard from a pretty reliable source that Washington will NOT be hiring - but that information is a couple months old.
I have also heard that UT Austin (Soc) will be hiring.
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Post by Anon on Aug 15, 2009 16:16:48 GMT -5
Wisconsin will be hiring for sure. They were interviewing at ASA.
I have heard that Washinton will NOT hire this year, but that info is 2 months old at this point.
I have also heard that the Soc department at UT Austin is planning at least one hire.
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Post by damastes on Aug 15, 2009 17:21:29 GMT -5
Its great these departments are hiring, but those are less than 1% of the total academic market in a normal year. Does anyone have any sense for the R1's, teaching universities, etc.? Is it reasonable to assume someone can get a job based in an area they wish to live? What do you believe the ratio of jobs to minted PhDs will be this coming year--is it 1 job per 2 or 3 new PhDs?
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Post by anon on Aug 15, 2009 20:30:01 GMT -5
almost 100% sure that ut austin is not hiring this year although there were plans to last year...
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Post by anonymouse on Aug 16, 2009 7:47:40 GMT -5
Fair points, damastes, particularly that this is a very small portion of the market. Just meant that there are more places that I know of to come, so I assume there are more I don't know about. RE: getting a job somewhere you'd like to live - I have always assumed that that is generally unlikely. Perhaps more so this year, though.
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Post by wintermute on Aug 16, 2009 10:54:55 GMT -5
I agree with anonymouse -- I don't think you will be able to "pick" where your job will be, unless you're a "superstar" with 2 or 3 pubs coming out of grad school -- I think that's the only way you'll have "options" and the possibility of getting a job in a part of the world you want to live in. I'm hoping for an offer...I'll take the location into account after that!
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Post by thedodo on Aug 16, 2009 20:43:10 GMT -5
I agree with anonymouse -- I don't think you will be able to "pick" where your job will be, unless you're a "superstar" with 2 or 3 pubs coming out of grad school -- I think that's the only way you'll have "options" and the possibility of getting a job in a part of the world you want to live in. I'm hoping for an offer...I'll take the location into account after that! Well, to be a superstar, not only would you need to have 2 or 3 pubs, but they better be solo authored (or at least first authored) and they better be at top journals. Because the key thing in this market is managing expectations. I have 1 solo authored paper in a medium journal, 1 first authored paper in a top specialty journal, 1 r&r at AJS where Im the 2nd author, and 6 encyclopedia entries, and I KNOW I will be lucky if I get a job at a decent master's university. And this is my second go at the market. Last year I got an interview, but didnt get a job, at a place where I had more publications than the search committee chair (he had a couple of research pubs and a handful of "teaching soc." ones). I think the only people able to pick and choose this year will be assistant professors 2 or 3 years out of grad school doing well on the tenure track and looking to move up.
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Post by anon on Aug 16, 2009 21:04:53 GMT -5
thedodo: i hope we're not in the same area of interest! congrats on all those pubs! and good luck this year around... last year i was up for a position when someone with an asr paper swooped in... never had a chance! ha.
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Post by thedodo on Aug 16, 2009 22:48:58 GMT -5
thedodo: i hope we're not in the same area of interest! congrats on all those pubs! and good luck this year around... last year i was up for a position when someone with an asr paper swooped in... never had a chance! ha. good point, in that being a superstar in one area is different from being a superstar in another. Thanks for the congrats, but in reality that means that, in my subfield, I am middle of the pack, tops. I will be competing with more than a handful of people within my area with 1st authored ASR/AJS/SS papers, and in a subfield where there might be, say, at most 10 openings this year, that means I am far behind. I don't know enough about the field in one of the big areas (race, strat, crim, etc.) to know how things are there. Which is why, realistically, I am hoping for a position at a master university who wants someone to teach methods or something like that and who don't care about substantive area that much. The drastic reduction in the number of positions means that people like me, who 3 or 4 years ago would have a realistic shot at the sort of "unranked" R1s, now are in the difficult position where our research is not enough for R1s, but too much for teaching schools who generally want to see a firmer commitment to undergrad education from their candidates.
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Post by anon9 on Aug 24, 2009 6:53:51 GMT -5
Several jobs have been posted in the last two weeks. Are people feeling better about the market?
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